„Through pain I learned to be more empathic with other people, I learned to forgive, I learned to let go, I learned to heal myself.“

Singer-songwriter Evripidis Sabatis of „Evripidis and His Tragedies“ from Barcelona, who has just released his third album „Futile Games In Space And Time“ speaks about teenage dramas, queer love, his roots and his ambitions and explains what he likes and dislikes about Berlin. 

Evripidis Sabatis of „Evripidis and His Tragedies“ | Foto: Daniel Riera

Evripidis Sabatis of „Evripidis and His Tragedies“ | Foto: Daniel Riera

Norbert Bayer: Hello Evripidis! Are you ready?

Evripidis Sabatis: Yes, I am.

Where are you right now?

At home, in the district of Poble Nou in Barcelona. I have many plants, drawings and books around me. Outside the window there is a patio full of plants, some of them quite huge.

Are you home a lot or always on the run between different places?

I used to be on the run for years, never resting, but now I am well installed in Barcelona, finally at a place I can call home. So nowadays I like spending a lot of time indoors.

Which means that you’re more up to futile games in time now than in spaces?

I believe that right now I might be playing a game that is not futile, at least not as futile as other ones I have been engaged to… ’Cause at the end of the day we all going to perish, right?

That’s right. 

My point of view in things remains the same anyway – everything is futile and every experience is necessary and valuable.

But nevertheless in the song „15 Again“ from your new album „Futile Games In Space And Time“ you refer to the dream of wanting to be a teenager again. Did you have a happy time as teenager?

As a teenager I had a mixed time: Sometimes I felt utterly miserable and alienated and ugly, sometimes it was pure fun. The song is not about wanting to be a teenager again, it is about feeling things in the intense, hormone-fueled way that teenagers do, with all the buzzing and the drama.

Do you think that works the same way for gay people? Or are you idealizing here? GLBTI-teenagers are still more suicidal than others, for example.

I don’t think I am idealising at all. All this intensity of the teenage feelings is quite often unbearable. The dramas are huge. I had a rough time because I was gay, and not because of bullying, I was lucky enough to get away with just a bit of it, but because of the sexual frustration and the feeling that the world doesn’t have a legitimate place for me. In the 90’s, being gay in Greek bore quite a stigma. Also, adolescence is a time of great insecurities. When I sing „You make me feel fifteen again“ I am actually saying: „You make me feel everything so intense that it hurts, you make me feel insecure, you make me feel young, for better and for worse. But you also make me feel hopeful and dreamy and starry-eyed“, because young people are like that. At least I was.

But there’s always a dose of pain which comes with it. Why do you think it’s healthy as you say in the title of your second album?

Pain is essential to our growth and to our path towards maturity. I learned to appreciate things more through pain. I learned to be more empathic with other people, I learned to forgive, I learned to let go, I learned to heal myself. I am still learning of course until the last breath. Without the pain we cannot appreciate pleasure, happiness, bliss.

Very well said. Are you a gambler and is love a game for you? How can love and romance become a win-win-situation?

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Norbert Bayer
Ist Mitgründer von THE VORTEX und schreibt am liebsten über Kunst, Filme, Literatur und weiteres. Er mag das Geräusch, wenn man mit dem Fahrrad über lose Pfastersteine fährt.

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